HCSB and HCSBse Revisions (1 Timothy 2)

January 13, 2009 at 4:07 am 2 comments

1 Timothy 2 Revisions

HCSB HCSBse
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and man, a man, Christ Jesus, 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and humanity, Christ Jesus, Himself human,
15 But she will be saved through childbearing, if she continues in faith, love, and holiness, with good sense. 15 But she will be saved through childbearing, if she continues in faith, love, and holiness, with good judgment.

1 Timothy 2:11-12 (Not revised but should have been…maybe?)
(HCSB/HCSBse)“A woman should learn in silence with full submission. I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent.”

(ESV) “Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.”

(NASB) “A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.”

(TNIV) “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.”

(NLT) “Women should learn quietly and submissively.I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.”

(NET) “A woman must learn quietly with all submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet.”

Do you see what I mean? Why does just about every translation render this word as quiet and not silent. The problem is people read silent and assume it is the same word Paul uses in 1 Corinthians 14. It is not the same word. Look at the definitions here and you may see a subtle difference. The HCSB really should have revised these verses in 1 Timothy 2.

The word in 1 Timothy 2
Strong Definition:

Feminine of G2272; (as noun) stillness, that is, desistance from bustle or language: – quietness, silence.

Thayer Definition:
1) quietness
1a) description of the life of one who stays at home doing his own work, and does not officiously meddle with the affairs of others
2) silence

The word in 1 Corinthians 14
Strong Definition:

From G4602; to keep silent (transitive or intransitive): – keep close (secret, silence), hold peace.

Thayer Definition:
1) to keep silence, hold one’s peace
2) to be kept in silence, be concealed

What do you think? Does the HCSB fall short here?

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  • 1. Dan  |  April 24, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Well, I understand your point, however the same word is used in acts 22:2, where Paul is speaking. When they heard him speaking in Hebrew, “they kept the more silence.” KJV

    has the idea that they stopped talking which seems like a stronger translation there than quiet

    When they heard him speaking in their own language,* the silence was even greater. (NLT)

    And when they heard that he was addressing them in the Hebrew dialect, they became even more quiet; and he *said, (NASB)

    And when they heard that he was addressing them in the Hebrew language, they became even more quiet. And he said: (ESV)

    I guess it could go either way on translation, but I’m betting quiet is the better translation.

  • 2. Joe  |  April 24, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    HCSB/HCSBse in Acts 22:2 “When they heard that he was addressing them in the Hebrew language, they became even quieter”

    I believe there is a difference between the 2 words, maybe subtle, but it is still there. I’m on the record for saying it should be quiet.

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